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		<title>By: Zoë</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zoë</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Sep 2009 04:09:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Bryce - That&#039;s very interesting, and revealing. It surprises me how many people seem to think homeschooling is a joke, and they seem to have a very limited idea of how it can work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Bryce &#8211; That&#8217;s very interesting, and revealing. It surprises me how many people seem to think homeschooling is a joke, and they seem to have a very limited idea of how it can work.</p>
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		<title>By: Bryce</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bryce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Sep 2009 16:06:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Every parent I&#039;ve ever talked to who has kids in public school has horror stories about bad teachers, unfair rules, and despicable conditions. Yet when I tell them that my wife and I are homeschooling our kids they always tell me how crazy and irresponsible I am.
.-= Bryce´s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/StoryHack/~3/96Q1Cj_x22g/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Practical Pointers on Plot Pacing&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Every parent I&#8217;ve ever talked to who has kids in public school has horror stories about bad teachers, unfair rules, and despicable conditions. Yet when I tell them that my wife and I are homeschooling our kids they always tell me how crazy and irresponsible I am.<br />
.-= Bryce´s last blog ..<a href="http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/StoryHack/~3/96Q1Cj_x22g/" rel="nofollow">Practical Pointers on Plot Pacing</a> =-.</p>
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		<title>By: Essential Prose &#124; Zoë Westhof &#124; Why I&#8217;m Not Realistic</title>
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		<dc:creator>Essential Prose &#124; Zoë Westhof &#124; Why I&#8217;m Not Realistic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 03:55:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] defined and many of us are feeling the tugs of inevitable change. I wrote a post a few months ago about Sir Ken Robinson&#8217;s TED talk on schools and creativity, in which he points out that we&#8217;re educating our kids for a world that we have no clue about [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] defined and many of us are feeling the tugs of inevitable change. I wrote a post a few months ago about Sir Ken Robinson&#8217;s TED talk on schools and creativity, in which he points out that we&#8217;re educating our kids for a world that we have no clue about [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Zoë</title>
		<link>http://www.essentialprose.com/read-connect/do-schools-kill-creativity/comment-page-1#comment-1459</link>
		<dc:creator>Zoë</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 May 2009 08:18:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Rachel - Oh, I know the &#039;activity syndrome&#039; you&#039;re describing -- I saw it a lot in the States as a way to build up the college application extracurricular section. 

As far as play, I think you are right to say it deserves more importance. I have some amazing memories of games I played as a kid -- one involved creating and managing an entire city with my friends, another was a front stoop smoothie enterprise. Play can teach, inspire, and expand our minds unbelievably.

@ Trina - I think stories -- e.g. fiction -- do expand our creative capacity. Not only for improving our ability to communicate, but for exploring how life, relationships, and interactions unfold. I would imagine it also helps us connect different ideas and make broad links.

@ Matt - I love your personal examples! I wholeheartedly agree with you that creativity and curiosity can precipitate learning and literacy. I think the shifts you envision in your comment require an attitude change on our part -- if our attitudes radiate new priorities, the values we demonstrate to our children will reflect that shift.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Rachel &#8211; Oh, I know the &#8216;activity syndrome&#8217; you&#8217;re describing &#8212; I saw it a lot in the States as a way to build up the college application extracurricular section. </p>
<p>As far as play, I think you are right to say it deserves more importance. I have some amazing memories of games I played as a kid &#8212; one involved creating and managing an entire city with my friends, another was a front stoop smoothie enterprise. Play can teach, inspire, and expand our minds unbelievably.</p>
<p>@ Trina &#8211; I think stories &#8212; e.g. fiction &#8212; do expand our creative capacity. Not only for improving our ability to communicate, but for exploring how life, relationships, and interactions unfold. I would imagine it also helps us connect different ideas and make broad links.</p>
<p>@ Matt &#8211; I love your personal examples! I wholeheartedly agree with you that creativity and curiosity can precipitate learning and literacy. I think the shifts you envision in your comment require an attitude change on our part &#8212; if our attitudes radiate new priorities, the values we demonstrate to our children will reflect that shift.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Blair</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt Blair</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 May 2009 18:01:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So many of my experiences with formal education were about teachers pushing skills and facts into students&#039; brains, and the standard metric for the success of this approach was to see if the students could push them back out in the form of a test or maybe a very narrowly-defined essay. I could play that game well, but it had little to do with learning.

I was a very poor typist during and after typing class in high school. I learned to type because the keyboard was necessary for email and internet chat.

I was a brat in elementary school (and still am, according to some!) and refused to practice piano despite my parents paying for lessons. I started playing piano on my own several years later when I was trying to figure out what notes to tell my bandmates to play when we were learning Joy Division songs.

I retained very little from math classes in high school, though my grades were great. I took Calculus voluntarily in college and &lt;em&gt;actually learned&lt;/em&gt; math when I realized I needed it to understand how to program music and sound on computers.

Sir Ken stated that creativity is as important as literacy. I&#039;d go further, and say that creativity and curiosity can precipitate learning and literacy. When we are fully dedicated to and excited about making art or sharing our ideas, we find the tools and learn the skills we need.

The problem with so much formalized education: it ignores curiosity and creativity and the drive to share ideas that engenders a desire for learning, and treats learning as something to be forced upon an unwilling population.

Reading is just a skill. Wanting to be a poet is a life that requires a range of skills, including reading.  If we inspire kids to want to be something in their life, rather than watchers of TV and munchers of candied cereals and purchasers of snazzy clothing, they will learn the skills and facts and histories and ways of thinking they require. And they will &lt;strong&gt;want&lt;/strong&gt; to learn it.

PS: I&#039;m not saying it&#039;s easy to get kids excited about life. I have taught and know how hard it is, and am also aware of the legislative and systemic challenges in the US and elsewhere. I&#039;m just setting it up as a goal.

PPS: I don&#039;t intend to demean reading as &#039;just a skill&#039; -- maybe this formula is better: skill + wanting to do it = source of meaning and pleasure and joy.

&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;Matt Blair´s last blog post..&lt;a href=&quot;http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/ElsewiseMedia/~3/vUNdzx5ZnaM/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Peculiarity over Productivity&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So many of my experiences with formal education were about teachers pushing skills and facts into students&#8217; brains, and the standard metric for the success of this approach was to see if the students could push them back out in the form of a test or maybe a very narrowly-defined essay. I could play that game well, but it had little to do with learning.</p>
<p>I was a very poor typist during and after typing class in high school. I learned to type because the keyboard was necessary for email and internet chat.</p>
<p>I was a brat in elementary school (and still am, according to some!) and refused to practice piano despite my parents paying for lessons. I started playing piano on my own several years later when I was trying to figure out what notes to tell my bandmates to play when we were learning Joy Division songs.</p>
<p>I retained very little from math classes in high school, though my grades were great. I took Calculus voluntarily in college and <em>actually learned</em> math when I realized I needed it to understand how to program music and sound on computers.</p>
<p>Sir Ken stated that creativity is as important as literacy. I&#8217;d go further, and say that creativity and curiosity can precipitate learning and literacy. When we are fully dedicated to and excited about making art or sharing our ideas, we find the tools and learn the skills we need.</p>
<p>The problem with so much formalized education: it ignores curiosity and creativity and the drive to share ideas that engenders a desire for learning, and treats learning as something to be forced upon an unwilling population.</p>
<p>Reading is just a skill. Wanting to be a poet is a life that requires a range of skills, including reading.  If we inspire kids to want to be something in their life, rather than watchers of TV and munchers of candied cereals and purchasers of snazzy clothing, they will learn the skills and facts and histories and ways of thinking they require. And they will <strong>want</strong> to learn it.</p>
<p>PS: I&#8217;m not saying it&#8217;s easy to get kids excited about life. I have taught and know how hard it is, and am also aware of the legislative and systemic challenges in the US and elsewhere. I&#8217;m just setting it up as a goal.</p>
<p>PPS: I don&#8217;t intend to demean reading as &#8216;just a skill&#8217; &#8212; maybe this formula is better: skill + wanting to do it = source of meaning and pleasure and joy.</p>
<p><abbr><em>Matt Blair´s last blog post..<a href="http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/ElsewiseMedia/~3/vUNdzx5ZnaM/" rel="nofollow">Peculiarity over Productivity</a></em></abbr></p>
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		<title>By: My New Blog + Friday Linky Love &#124; Small Hands, Big Ideas</title>
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		<dc:creator>My New Blog + Friday Linky Love &#124; Small Hands, Big Ideas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 May 2009 15:07:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Trina</title>
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		<dc:creator>Trina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 May 2009 14:55:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While there could be improvements in the system, the kids who suffer most are the ones whose creative outlets are not enhanced, fostered, stimulated outside of school. Even kids realize they are expected to conform to the assignment, the test, the rubric. Imagine what we are missing from the child whose creativity is not fostered. Schools like to point out they are with our children more than we are.....so as we look to the future, the current methodology needs a creative, collective, overhaul. I applaud those who encourage more reading, less screen time. The more I think about it, the more I believe reading is so critical to all creativity. I&#039;ve always believed reading/comprehension is so critical to overall success, especially as it applies to the rest of school. I would like to add how ciritical it is to creativity too. The grouping of ideas, the knowledge of vocabulary on a wide scale can then enhance the imagination to be used in whatever creative capacity is a persons forte, from dance to building with Lego.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While there could be improvements in the system, the kids who suffer most are the ones whose creative outlets are not enhanced, fostered, stimulated outside of school. Even kids realize they are expected to conform to the assignment, the test, the rubric. Imagine what we are missing from the child whose creativity is not fostered. Schools like to point out they are with our children more than we are&#8230;..so as we look to the future, the current methodology needs a creative, collective, overhaul. I applaud those who encourage more reading, less screen time. The more I think about it, the more I believe reading is so critical to all creativity. I&#8217;ve always believed reading/comprehension is so critical to overall success, especially as it applies to the rest of school. I would like to add how ciritical it is to creativity too. The grouping of ideas, the knowledge of vocabulary on a wide scale can then enhance the imagination to be used in whatever creative capacity is a persons forte, from dance to building with Lego.</p>
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		<title>By: Rachel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rachel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Apr 2009 09:46:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can&#039;t speak for any other country, but I believe that there are fundamental problems with conventional schooling and teaching models here in Australia.

Not only are we stifling children&#039;s creativity in the classroom, we&#039;re taking away any options outside of the classroom.  

Free play with siblings, neighbours and friends is now replaced with scheduled activities, measured by exams and results and rankings.

Primary (elementary) aged children are doing hours of structured homework, reading to tick a box, not for joy.  Parents are struggling to keep up with the Jones&#039; kid and make a better and bigger project.  

Schools too often teach how to pass tests instead of how to think, how to grow, how to live and how to love.

I don&#039;t think this is how it should be.  I don&#039;t have the answers but there are too many children being left behind.

&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;Rachel´s last blog post..&lt;a href=&quot;http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/beyondbeeton/~3/9JJLMRAuaTc/meal-plan-monday-what-were-eating-this-week&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Meal Plan Monday: What we’re eating this week&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t speak for any other country, but I believe that there are fundamental problems with conventional schooling and teaching models here in Australia.</p>
<p>Not only are we stifling children&#8217;s creativity in the classroom, we&#8217;re taking away any options outside of the classroom.  </p>
<p>Free play with siblings, neighbours and friends is now replaced with scheduled activities, measured by exams and results and rankings.</p>
<p>Primary (elementary) aged children are doing hours of structured homework, reading to tick a box, not for joy.  Parents are struggling to keep up with the Jones&#8217; kid and make a better and bigger project.  </p>
<p>Schools too often teach how to pass tests instead of how to think, how to grow, how to live and how to love.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think this is how it should be.  I don&#8217;t have the answers but there are too many children being left behind.</p>
<p><abbr><em>Rachel´s last blog post..<a href="http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/beyondbeeton/~3/9JJLMRAuaTc/meal-plan-monday-what-were-eating-this-week" rel="nofollow">Meal Plan Monday: What we’re eating this week</a></em></abbr></p>
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		<title>By: Zoë</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zoë</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Apr 2009 06:43:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Richard - What a unique, wonderful contribution to the discussion. It&#039;s true that imagination is something widely removed from adulthood -- the type of thing people like to say, &quot;Oh, the good old days when my imagination was alive and kickin.&quot;  More reading, less TV is an excellent recipe -- I grew up that way myself, and wouldn&#039;t change it for anything. 

@ Nameless - The situation you&#039;re describing shows that schools indeed help foster new ways of thinking and introduce inspiring material. There&#039;s no question about that. But if that state of thinking and inspiration evaporates as soon as you are not in school (e.g., on spring break), there&#039;s a problem, isn&#039;t there? 

The point of this post was not to say schools are bad and do not expand our ways of thinking. The point is that schools could be &lt;em&gt;even better and more transformative&lt;/em&gt; if they nurtured our independent and innovative thinking, instead of our ability to absorb information like a sponge. 

We&#039;re talking foundational change here -- starting from the beginning of the school system, with the little ones. Many schools do encourage creativity in various respects, but what our society needs now is people who can build and expand ideas that are not creative within a certain context, but that question the context altogether.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Richard &#8211; What a unique, wonderful contribution to the discussion. It&#8217;s true that imagination is something widely removed from adulthood &#8212; the type of thing people like to say, &#8220;Oh, the good old days when my imagination was alive and kickin.&#8221;  More reading, less TV is an excellent recipe &#8212; I grew up that way myself, and wouldn&#8217;t change it for anything. </p>
<p>@ Nameless &#8211; The situation you&#8217;re describing shows that schools indeed help foster new ways of thinking and introduce inspiring material. There&#8217;s no question about that. But if that state of thinking and inspiration evaporates as soon as you are not in school (e.g., on spring break), there&#8217;s a problem, isn&#8217;t there? </p>
<p>The point of this post was not to say schools are bad and do not expand our ways of thinking. The point is that schools could be <em>even better and more transformative</em> if they nurtured our independent and innovative thinking, instead of our ability to absorb information like a sponge. </p>
<p>We&#8217;re talking foundational change here &#8212; starting from the beginning of the school system, with the little ones. Many schools do encourage creativity in various respects, but what our society needs now is people who can build and expand ideas that are not creative within a certain context, but that question the context altogether.</p>
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		<title>By: Nameless</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nameless</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Apr 2009 06:11:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Being a student in high school, I can proudly say that school is undoubtedly expanding my creative horizon and allowing the wheels in my head to keep turning. When I was on spring break, being lazy doing nothing productive, I often had writer&#039;s block and couldn&#039;t find inspiration in anything to help guide me to write something wonderful. My mind was in a blank state, and I often found myself staring at pages full of dull, lifeless words reflecting on my frame of mind at that time. However, when I am in school, my mind becomes absorbent like a damp sponge, if you will, and soaks up new ideas and concepts being thrown at it, rather than on spring break when my mind-sponge was dried up and sealed shut.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Being a student in high school, I can proudly say that school is undoubtedly expanding my creative horizon and allowing the wheels in my head to keep turning. When I was on spring break, being lazy doing nothing productive, I often had writer&#8217;s block and couldn&#8217;t find inspiration in anything to help guide me to write something wonderful. My mind was in a blank state, and I often found myself staring at pages full of dull, lifeless words reflecting on my frame of mind at that time. However, when I am in school, my mind becomes absorbent like a damp sponge, if you will, and soaks up new ideas and concepts being thrown at it, rather than on spring break when my mind-sponge was dried up and sealed shut.</p>
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